Historian who confronted Davos billionaires leaks Tucker Carlson rant
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Historian who confronted Davos billionaires leaks Tucker Carlson rant

Rutger Bregman is the Dutch historian who became a global sensation after an appearance at this year’s Davos summit, where he accused attending billionaires of ignoring taxation. Now he has created another viral moment in an extremely uncomfortable interview with Fox News’s Tucker Carlson.

Bregman so riled Carson with his accusations of hypocrisy, critiques of Fox’s conservative agenda, and attacks on Donald Trump that the TV host called him a “moron” and angrily told him: “Go fuck yourself.”

According to Bregman, he recorded the interview with Carlson last week and it was scheduled to air later, but never did.

NowThis has obtained Bregman’s own recording of the exchange, where only the audio of Carlson’s questions can be heard.


Watch Fox News host Tucker Carlson call one of his guests a ‘tiny brain…moron’ during an interview. NowThis has obtained the full segment with historian Rutger Bregman that Fox News is refusing to air. pic.twitter.com/kERYPUaGLY

February 20, 2019

The interview begins cordially, and Carlson congratulates Bregman on pointing out the hypocrisy of Davos attendees “who fly business to talk about global warming”. Bregman says he is just saying what most people in the world, including Fox News viewers, are thinking.

Things become tense when Bregman tells Carlson that Fox News has tended to ignore tax because “what the Murdochs want you to do is scapegoat immigrants instead of talking about tax avoidance”.

Bregman then accuses Carlson of being bought by the Murdoch family and the Cato Institute, a rightwing thinktank of which Carlson was a fellow until 2015. Bregman says Tucker took the “dirty money” of the institute, which is funded in large part by the Koch brothers and opposes higher taxes.

He says Carlson is “a millionaire funded by billionaires” and “not part of the solution” but “part of the problem, actually”.

Bregman finishes by acknowledging that the interview probably wouldn’t be aired, but saying that he “went to Davos to speak truth to power and I’m doing exactly the same right now”.

Carlson, near-speechless for much of the interview, replies by saying: “Why don’t you go fuck yourself, you tiny brain. You’re a moron. I tried to give you a hearing but you were too fucking annoying.”

The next day on Twitter, Bregman said he decided to leak the interview to NowThis because “we should keep talking about the corrupting influence of money in politics. It also shows how angry elites can get if you do that.”

He also challenged Carlson to air the interview in full.

Rutger Bregman

Good morning @TuckerCarlson, why didn’t you air the interview with me last night? Couldn’t handle the criticism? I think you should just show it. And try to resist the temptation to edit, I’ve recorded the full thing – including that moment when you start swearing profusely.

February 12, 2019

Bregman has long been making the case for higher taxes, plus a raft of other measures to rethink the way the world works, including a shorter working week and a universal basic income. He was invited to Davos after his book, Utopia for Realists, became a hit with many leaders and Silicon Valley entrepreneurs.

‘This is not rocket science’: Rutger Bregman tells Davos to talk about tax – video

But after spending a week there, he was amazed at many of the attendees’ lack of self-awareness. “It feels like I’m at a firefighters’ conference and no one’s allowed to speak about water”, he said.

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